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Post by Jinkies on Apr 14, 2014 20:49:41 GMT -5
Alright , I know this is like a heated conversation topic in the Scooby world, so I wanted to know all of your opinions.
For me , personally , i'd go with Shaphne since I was watching some of my "13 Ghosts of Scooby - Doo" dvd the other day , and liked the idea. Also , WB shoving Fraphne down my throat was pretty annoying. It's like the Scooby verison of Kataang Vs Zutara (To any avatar fans , I'm sorry if i spelled Kataang wrong I ship Zutara and don't pay attention to Kataang much.)
Fraphne was kind of cute when HB did it , a tiny hint , but not shoving it down our throats.
So what's your thoughts? Vote in the poll please , and also let me know your reasons
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Apr 14, 2014 21:54:37 GMT -5
I'm a total Shaphne addict. I loved the way it was executed by HB, they slowly built up the relationship and it finally became a thing in "The New Scooby And Scrappy Doo Show". The two developed as characters together until the very end, where their relationship was set in stone by "13 Ghosts". They're closer than Fred and Daphne have ever been, and they play off of each other very well. The Fred and Daphne relationship is just based on stupid old stereotypes by non-Scooby fans that WB has been milking since "Bravo Dooby Doo". The two have nothing in common and Fred is always very harsh towards Daphne, even going for other women. Daphne has been reduced to a love sick idiot with no self-respect, and Fred completely lost any common sense he had for his love of traps. Just because he's a "jock" and she's a "pretty rich girl" doesn't mean they have to be paired up. The Shpahne relationship was sweet and didn't detract from the show or get in the way of the gang. They're such a lovely couple and it works so well. I'd love for it to make a comeback. On the bright side, they were at least a canon couple for HB's final Scooby production and original timeline. I also agree about HB's Fraphne, as that didn't detract from the show much, neither did WB's early attempts at resurrecting the pair.
I'll also add that I never shipped any Scooby characters until my series marathon until last year. By the time I got to "No Thanks, Masked Manx", I just knew Shaphne was a thing and I fell in love with it instantly. I didn't care about relationships before that, and I thought Fraphne was the way it was supposed to be because of WB and the live action movies, before I was a Scooby Addict. I even thought Shelma was cute in "Curse Of The Lake Monster", and still do, but that's a completely unrelated universe with very different characters. My eyes were opened up by the series marathon, and I was sick and tired of Fraphne by the end of Mystery Incorporated, it and Shelma caused too much drama for the group.
(P.S. I totally shipped Toph and Aang, I never cared much for "Kataang".)
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Post by scoob16 on Apr 15, 2014 2:54:09 GMT -5
Actually, Shaphne doesn't really work out for me... I prefer Fraphne. And a little bit of Shelma wouldn't bother me.
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Post by scoobydoofan on Apr 15, 2014 6:06:09 GMT -5
I like fraphne,it's my favorite couple.I like them since I was 5 years old.
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Post by sadie on Apr 15, 2014 8:30:24 GMT -5
Same, little me loved daphne and fred and I really wanted to be adopted by them hehehe. Well obviously the adoption fell through for a number of reasons (a) I already had a loving family (b)they are cartoons and (c)teenage cartoons at that. It was a pretty big part of my childhood because looking back on it little me was a hopeless romantic. My brother would make up fanfiction before we knew it was a thing and tell me the stories about scooby and the gang fighting zombies with the characters from resident evil and tomb raider (little him wanted to be lara croft when he grew up, that also didnt pan out)outside on the trampoline. Daphne and fred were always a thing in these stories.
I would also pay super close attention to the movies for when they interacted in anyway shape or form then pause it and study the screen, I was a strange child.
Nowadays I don't do lovey dovey relationships. I dont ship and I am the biggest non believer/love cynic to grace the earth, which is silly considering I've never been burned I just dont seem to fall in love. But when it comes to this pairing the cynic in me shuts up and I'm enchanted all over again.
Putting my feelings aside I can see how it would be annoying. In mystery incorporated Daphne (and velma too albeit a different variation)is a typical teenage girl who is in "love" and she is annoying but every teenage girl I know who falls in love is also really annoying. it swallows their being they spend 24/7 obsessed with the guy become super dramatic Push away friends overlook (sometimes dangerous) faults in the guy. I don't like this version because in this version the relationships were all very common high school train wrecks (sooooo many people end up in scoobys spot when their best friends start dating)
However the way its being handled in the new set of movies is great, subtle for the most part but definitely there. I take each new series as it comes I like how they start fresh with each new incarnation. It allows character growth which after so many years would be hard to do if they were all apart of the same story.
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Post by mattpricetime on Apr 15, 2014 8:54:56 GMT -5
And we're all tied up again with my vote for Shaphne. If i have to pick i like that dynamic more. Also the 13 ghosts is my favorite scooby season, so i think it worked well that way. I'm not opposed to seeing them try more Fred/Daphne, since in the older productions it was the suggested one back then. It would be nice to see the WB made ones try the other at some point, but as long as the new series are made by CN, that's nothing but a pipe dream.
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Post by russm on Apr 15, 2014 16:08:39 GMT -5
Though much more of a Shelma fan I vote for both as it is the story that matters more than the pairing. A good writer can make either pairing work well.
My reluctance towards Shaphne comes primarily from my experience of Shaphne fans over at FanFiction and their intolerance towards anything not Shaphne and heaven help you if you dare question their interpretation of a story and the primacy of 13 Ghosts over all.
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Post by Doo on Apr 16, 2014 16:44:30 GMT -5
I'm more of a Fraphne fan.
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Post by Jinkies on Apr 19, 2014 18:51:27 GMT -5
For those of you who voted on the poll without posting your reasons , I'd love to know them!
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Apr 19, 2014 19:42:11 GMT -5
I'd love to know the reasons why you guys are against Shaphne and pro-Fraphne, besides liking them because WB shows it that way. I'm just, you know....a bit curious, is all. As I said before, I thought it was SUPPOSED to be Fraphne because they are always shown as "being together" in the WB series, so I thought it was cute. I even thought it was awesome that Fred proposed to her in "Mystery Incorporated". But, that was before I become a knowledgeable Scooby addict and before I was keeping up with any Scooby series and thus learned of the selfish motivations behind his proposal. The series marathon opened my eyes to seeing that Fred and Daphne had nothing in common other that "good" looks by society's typical standards. I saw so much depth between Shaggy and Daphne, especially during their time together in "13 Ghosts". I love the little moments they share, like when she scolds him for making a mess of popcorn in "That's Monstertainment", him crying over her "death" in "Scoobra Kadoobra", and the entire episode that reeled me in in as a Shaphne shipper: "No Thanks, Masked Manx".
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Post by scoobnick on Apr 19, 2014 20:09:43 GMT -5
i'll go with shaggy-daphne, because fred-daphne has become so cliche. its like romeo and juliet- minus the offing each other. it would be one thing if it was subtke or a sideplot, but not a main focus like it was in parts of MI.
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Post by russm on Apr 20, 2014 3:47:07 GMT -5
I'd love to know the reasons why you guys are against Shaphne and pro-Fraphne, besides liking them because WB shows it that way. I'm just, you know....a bit curious, is all. ... Let me explain, once upon a time four kids and a dog took to a van and travelled all over the US and a few other places as well solving mysteries and helping those in need. We loved the silliness, the improbable amounts of food eaten by Shaggy and Scooby, and the interaction between them. For those who wanted to Ship, be it Fraphne, Shaphne, Shelma, Frelma, Delma or Shred (and whatever HDW/Velma is called) there was enough to keep them happy, little bits of interaction that people who favoured a particular paring could point and go 'awwww'. For those with no interest in ships, or find the who thing a bit pointless, these interactions didn't get in the way, the show could be enjoyed as is. SD:MI veered dangerously close to being a teen-angst soap opera as the focussed too much on relationships (the tentative Velma/HDW relationship being the only one handled with any degree of grace and subtlety). For the shippers there was the likes of FanFiction where they could write stories for their ships to their hearts content. I don't have a problem with Shaphhe, or any other ship, people should take from the show what they want. MY problem is with the whole pro-Shaphne bandwagon and I have to say, their apparent intolerance towards other ships and the characters involved in them. I like Shelma but I wouldn't want a whole series based on that or want Fred or Daphne written out of the show just because it gets in the way of what I prefer. Why? Because I know other people don't. By insisting that the show follow one ship and one ship only, and writing out any character that gets in the way, you reduce the show to a one-trick pony and exclude anyone who doesn't agree with your ship. Please enjoy your ship, whatever it is, or none if you prefer. But please don't force your ship on others.
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Post by j3h on Apr 20, 2014 9:40:43 GMT -5
I blame Twilight for most of the nonsense and the publics' obsessive mindset towards competitive relationships between fictional character sets.
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Post by isis101z on Apr 20, 2014 10:44:40 GMT -5
I voted for Fred and Daphne as that's the pairing i saw that seemed gently apparent in the original shows i watched as a kid and made sense. As Russm said to be honest i didn't really mind it then as it seemed nice enough and wasn't so overt that it made you cringe, what i loved about the show was the fact that it was about 4 friends and their amazing dog, that was what i loved, the fact these teens were different but stayed together because they simply adored each other as people and got on so well, the relationship angle can be good fun but the friendship angle was the most important. I get where people are coming from in how the Fred-Daphne thing has been getting ridiculous as it's not subtle and seems to get in the way rather than be a positive thing, that said i still enjoyed mystery incorporated it got things wrong but also had a lot of great stuff, no show is perfect and i suppose it had a realism in the fact that, people of that age can act like that when they have a crush on someone, i'm sure we've all met people who go off the deep end over it, for awhile at least and then grow out of it and come back to reality, which seemed to happen towards the end of the show. What i loved about the original show was Scooby, he was the star, you fell in love with this brilliant hound, who wouldn't want a dog like that, he was hilarious and truly the star of the show, i still remember that bicycle with propellers he managed to fly, it was brilliantly silly and as a kid it was golden, something that's become a bit downgraded in modern shows, which is a shame. In terms of why i picked Fred and Daphne i suppose they just seemed to have a spark, similar intellect in the early shows at least, a humorous chemistry and gentle teasing and understanding of each other in episodes here and there throughout separate series runs which when done right was perfectly fine and didn't detract from the show, but simply added another angle for those wanted that type of thing,it just made sense to the young me, whereas Shaggy and Daphne seemed more friendly in how they dealt with each other they cared and got on but didn't seem all that compatible, Shaggy was rather put upon by all the characters at times as a bag carrier or live bait and so on, it just didn't really make sense to me, he was naturally laid back, messy and chilled and happy doing next to nothing, whereas Daphne as the series progressed seemed, organised, neat, intelligent at times and ambitious becoming a journalist or even having her own show while Shaggy and Scooby stayed pretty constant and unchanging no matter where life took them or how old they got, which they enjoyed. I liked that they were an example of a girl and a guy that could just be friends, it gets tiring when different sexes can only be love interests rather than close friends. The reason i stopped watching Scooby doo for awhile when the format changed and it was only the boys and Daphne was i missed Velma and Fred it seemed to be missing something, the whole joy of watching the show was their interactions with each other and how they each brought something different to the table throughout each mystery, though i did like that Daphne got an upgrade in characterization and became more of a person in her own right, something i believe has been lost and should be brought back as they seem at a loss as to who she is outside of a lovesick lady, which is what i imagine is turning people off her character and her relationship towards Fred as it's all we see of them rather then having interests and a personality outside of that, with the same going or Fred, they need to give him his intelligence back rather then degrading him for the sake of a one trick string of jokes that are more tiring than funny and seems a shame. I think they should refocus on just letting the characters be themselves getting back to what made them great in the first place and have them enjoying being together and solving mysteries, once they sort that out and can weave a good mystery alongside solid characterization, then maybe bring in subtle relationship things as something extra but for now lets focus on getting characterisation right and the gang having fun together again with Scooby at the forefront because that's the heart of the show and the whole reason we fell in love with the show to begin with
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Post by Sophia Peletier on Apr 20, 2014 13:40:33 GMT -5
I'd love to know the reasons why you guys are against Shaphne and pro-Fraphne, besides liking them because WB shows it that way. I'm just, you know....a bit curious, is all. ... Please enjoy your ship, whatever it is, or none if you prefer. But please don't force your ship on others. I hope this wasn't directed at me. I never said Shaphne is the only way, nor was I forcing it on anyone. I didn't even know what a "ship" was until I recently looked it up. I said that Fraphne works when it isn't overdone like in Mystery Incorporated, I even like Shelma in "Curse Of The Lake Monster'. I'd even prefer for the show to go back to showing no distinct relationships at all. Fraphne is canon now, I get that. I was just curious as to why people like their specific pairings since most just said their pairing without explanation. I don't hate Fred and Velma. In fact, Velma has actually been my favorite character in the WB series, mainly because of BJ Ward's excellent portrayal, and I can't say I care for the recent Daphne as much as I liked the older one. If I didn't like the series, I wouldn't have sat through the entirety of Mystery Incorporated and enjoyed it while praising its positive aspects, nor would I be excited about yet another Scooby series. Velma and Fred were already written out of the series before and it worked. I don't want them gone nor am I saying they should be excluded from a Scooby series, but if were to happen again I wouldn't mind. I'm not a hater, I just happen to like "13 Ghosts" and Shaphne. If I had gone back to being indifferent towards to Scooby series and had never seen the series in its entirety, I'd only see Fraphne (as a good thing, as I said earlier) because that's how WB portrays them and how it's been the past 17 years.
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