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Post by groovyscooby on Apr 4, 2013 10:52:51 GMT -5
At a guess it is the point at which the corruption took hold (when they went over to 'the dark side' so to speak) or some other symbolic bit of woo-woo. I've been wondering about this since watching the episode online the first time. I've thrown around the possibility that it's when the corruption took hold. It seems the most likely answer, but that doesn't seem to fit for Mayor Jones. It's pretty hard not to date his corruption twenty years ago when he was committing blackmail, kidnapping, theft, etc. By that reasoning he shouldn't have the gray streaks in his hair. They may have kept him looking like his present self for the Fred interaction, but it still messes with the pattern. Same thoughts here........ Thanks to all for explaining the keys as well! It definitely makes things clearer.
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Post by nickle98499 on Apr 4, 2013 21:28:36 GMT -5
This was a decent episode, however I'm torn on rather or not I believe Fred has really patched things up with his fake dad, the ex-mayor.
On the one hand, it seems nice that the two of them making nice nice seems like a great thing, both for Fred and the ex-mayor and to advance the plot along. On the other hand though, i'm not totally buying Fred's former dad being possessed by some evil entity as why he blackmailed Brad and Judy, kidnapped Fred, and basically was an outright jerkwad in Season 1.
I mean, as it turned out maybe Brad and Judy aren't all they're cracked up to be either, but that still doesn't mean the ex-mayor Jones can lie, steal and do what he did. It's almost like choosing between the lesser of two evils here.
On the one side, you have the ex-mayor Jones who's guilty of blackmail, kidnapping, and probably a few other things. Then on the other, you have Brad and Judy, Fred's real so called parents who don't seem to care much for Fred either, and just want the treasure.
It's just so confusing in that I don't know which of the three people I believe. Do I believe everything the ex-mayor has said and done and that all of a sudden he and Fred forgive each other?
Or do I believe Brad and Judy, who were so quick to turn on Fred and are concentrating so much on their own selfish ends as opposed to raising their son? To tell the truth, I honestly don't know if I believe either.
Although the last two episodes may change my theories quite a bit... or maybe not.
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Post by jeepers on Apr 5, 2013 9:37:23 GMT -5
My latest speculation is that at the end of the series the gang will have changed history somehow.
Nova told El Aliguerre in Nightmare in Red, "Don't fret. All can be undone. All can be forgiven."
With the final episode being named Come Undone, I'm wondering if it'll turn out that these beings exist outside of time in their dimension, or some other SF excuse, and destroying the evil will cause it to have never existed for the rest of the town or something. Somehow maybe the evil will be undone. If that's right then the one time the town would have thanked MI for saving them probably won't be remembered. That'd be an interesting throwback to the first episode, especially if the town kinda resets without the evil underneath it this time.
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Post by ithinkiknow on Apr 5, 2013 10:01:22 GMT -5
I've been wondering about this since watching the episode online the first time. I've thrown around the possibility that it's when the corruption took hold. It seems the most likely answer, but that doesn't seem to fit for Mayor Jones. It's pretty hard not to date his corruption twenty years ago when he was committing blackmail, kidnapping, theft, etc. By that reasoning he shouldn't have the gray streaks in his hair. They may have kept him looking like his present self for the Fred interaction, but it still messes with the pattern. Same thoughts here........ Thanks to all for explaining the keys as well! It definitely makes things clearer. Perhaps it is not when the corruption begins, but when they are at their best selves. For example, when Mayor Jones confessed that he was The Freak, that he was not Fred's biological father, etc...he was at his best. Confessing your sins? Another example is Cassidy. Her hair is short in this scene, so this is after she revealed her true identity to the gang, and decided to have no more to do with Ricky, Pericles, Brad & Judy of the original MI group. Most pure. Ricky, aka Mr. E. is his young and skinny self, his most pure, even gluttony had not taken over his life. Yet, what about Brad & Judy? This could actually be following the pattern. Were they at their best selves when they first came back to town and reconnected with Fred? Surely this couple were their "best selves" before they left town the first time. Or is this a clue in and of itself? They are the absolutely weirdest couple I have seen in years! Anywhere!
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Post by groovyscooby on Apr 5, 2013 10:41:03 GMT -5
Same thoughts here........ Thanks to all for explaining the keys as well! It definitely makes things clearer. Perhaps it is not when the corruption begins, but when they are at their best selves. For example, when Mayor Jones confessed that he was The Freak, that he was not Fred's biological father, etc...he was at his best. Confessing your sins? Another example is Cassidy. Her hair is short in this scene, so this is after she revealed her true identity to the gang, and decided to have no more to do with Ricky, Pericles, Brad & Judy of the original MI group. Most pure. Ricky, aka Mr. E. is his young and skinny self, his most pure, even gluttony had not taken over his life. Yet, what about Brad & Judy? This could actually be following the pattern. Were they at their best selves when they first came back to town and reconnected with Fred? Surely this couple were their "best selves" before they left town the first time. Or is this a clue in and of itself? They are the absolutely weirdest couple I have seen in years! Anywhere! Agreed!!!!
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Post by Doo on Apr 5, 2013 16:40:11 GMT -5
That'd be an interesting throwback to the first episode, especially if the town kinda resets without the evil underneath it this time. I bet that the series will end the same way the first episode began.
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Post by scoob16 on Jul 9, 2013 11:31:13 GMT -5
I suppose you've heard that the sitting room and the dancing man are all part of Twin Peaks. But have you actualy watched the original? I clicked on a YouTube video and I left the page within the very first seconds, it gave me the chills! If you think Scooby monsters are scary, if you were afraid of Dr. Coffin or the Ghost Clown as a kid, these characters will look like nice and cuddly teddy bears in comparison to Twin Peaks! It takes a lot of courage to watch it... Scoob and Shag would have screamed from the first second!
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Post by Doo on Jul 10, 2013 11:50:01 GMT -5
I knew it was scary, but I guess I never realized just how scary Twin Peaks really was!
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Post by scoobyfan101 on Feb 5, 2014 18:47:22 GMT -5
Everything is coming together! This is such an awesome show!
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Post by Doo on Feb 10, 2014 19:10:56 GMT -5
This is such an awesome show! Agreed!
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Post by scoob16 on Apr 12, 2014 12:24:17 GMT -5
I knew it was scary, but I guess I never realized just how scary Twin Peaks really was! Well, I got the complete Twin Peaks series for my birthday, and I'm watching an episode or two from time to time. It wasn't that scary after all. Just plain weird.
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Post by scoob16 on Dec 20, 2014 12:35:04 GMT -5
This episode aired today morning in Greece.
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Post by Jinkies on Jan 8, 2015 10:54:56 GMT -5
This episode aired today morning in Greece. A lot of good episodes have been aired in Greece lately. At least I have Netflix for SDMI.
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Post by Jinkies on Jan 8, 2015 10:56:25 GMT -5
My latest speculation is that at the end of the series the gang will have changed history somehow. Nova told El Aliguerre in Nightmare in Red, "Don't fret. All can be undone. All can be forgiven." With the final episode being named Come Undone, I'm wondering if it'll turn out that these beings exist outside of time in their dimension, or some other SF excuse, and destroying the evil will cause it to have never existed for the rest of the town or something. Somehow maybe the evil will be undone. If that's right then the one time the town would have thanked MI for saving them probably won't be remembered. That'd be an interesting throwback to the first episode, especially if the town kinda resets without the evil underneath it this time. I really loved this because you were right about how it ended. I would've had a huge victory dance or something after the finale if I guessed it.
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Post by matt on Jan 28, 2024 14:25:35 GMT -5
This is what I would consider to be the best episode of the last few episodes of this series. This was an extremely well done parody as well as just a stunner in this series as well. It was so emotionally potent and just really epic. Such a standout episode
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